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okay now for our interview

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with teresa rodriguez give us a quick

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snapshot of

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pre-nafta juarez versus post-nafta

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juarez pre-nafta

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juarez uh was a typical border town

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typical border town as you see many

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you know along our southern border um

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you know you had uh you typically had a

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lot of americans who could cross over it

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was cheap to come and go

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a lot of people would go there enjoy the

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bars and drinking and

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a weekend of partying or going and

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shopping for whatever it be

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whether it be the uh the pottery and

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some of the

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you know the artists that make things

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down there but a lot of it was it was a

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party town

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it was a good place to visit if you

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wanted to enjoy disconnect cross the

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border come back

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do things you probably would never do in

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the united states

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then nafta comes along this was in the

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early 90s when this free trade agreement

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was signed between mexico canada and the

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united states and it was best

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basically um to build

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these huge factories these assembly

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plants south of the border because

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it was cheaper labor was a lot cheaper

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so what happens

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the infrastructure of juarez was not

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for this onset all these people who

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lived in mexico and heard about these

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factories opening and by the way the

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factories were operating 24 hours around

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the clock

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and unlike the united states and canada

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where you have age restrictions on who

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you could basically hire 15 year olds to

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work on this assembly line

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so what happens you have all these

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people who are migrating to the border

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many of them are very poor

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they're looking for an honest living

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they're looking for jobs

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their kids were working their wives were

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working the husbands were working

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and they lived many of them couldn't

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afford to live in juarez so they were

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living in shanty towns all these shanty

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towns just started to spring up

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were not even buses would get there

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there weren't paved roads

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so they were taking public

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kids were going to school coming out of

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school going to work at the factory

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and then the factory they would finish

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whatever time it was whether it be seven

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whatever eight nine ten and they would

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have to get a bus back to come home

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what were some of the bigger factories

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what companies you know i'd have to go

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back i know

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i i to be honest with you i i didn't get

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into that as far as mentioning but there

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were american factories there and that's

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all out there you can look at them

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but major us companies there were major

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u.s companies out there

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um and you know there were other

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companies as well you had

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company as well

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a lot of the people who came not only

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were they hard-working but um

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they trusted i mean they these were just

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innocent people said well if i was

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making this in my town now i can go

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there and make this living

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and be able to give my family a better

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way to live and when they realized oh

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their kids can work their wives can work

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because women started to work remember

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that we're talking about a machista

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society

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let's not go too far from that all of a

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sudden women

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these men

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didn't like that so there was some abuse

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within the family circle because all of

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kids and taking care of the house

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they were also working and they felt

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something to say about how money was

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spent and how things were done

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so that created a little bit that that's

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one of the issues

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that came up the fact that for the first

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time women felt they had a voice and

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they were working on bringing home money

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when the bus the bus would drop them off

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they were basically all sharing

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this other little hut in this other

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metal metal as a roof and whatever

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so you're talking about dire poverty

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dire poverty and that's how they were

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living but they were making a better

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wherever they were before in the past so

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i wrote this book 14 years ago so it

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here i don't recall but it was minimum

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wage i mean they they were making

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pennies compared to what an american

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my research i think i saw something

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around four dollars an hour

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than they ever than they ever made

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so for them you've got to put it in the

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context of who's making it

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and where they're making it yeah and how

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they felt that now they could afford to

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buy a little truck or they could

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um it was a new beginning for them and

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pretty good to me uh this idea of having

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demand there's a lot of labor down there

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yeah and and in theory however when you

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all these factories in and you're

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and the city is not equipped for this

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onslaught of people

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then there is a problem there's more

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traffic there are not enough

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any reports of crime um the system was

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overloaded there are not enough schools

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they didn't have someone there waiting

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for them because these people couldn't

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them up they had to rely on public

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that happened as a result of this of the

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poor planning the city planners just

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that everyone would want to go to wars

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that it took its toll in terms

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of human lives especially young women

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that no one would ever find them

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think was the biggest it was a human

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um authorities who were overwhelmed who

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really couldn't deal were not equipped

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all the crimes that were being reported

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ineptitude on their part they just

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didn't know what to do they didn't know

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and you had impunity if you had money

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you could get away with murder

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and they did get away with murder when i

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first started to look at this story in

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the late 90s i remember i was just

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searching for stories on the wires as to

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what to do for our show on univision

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which is a news magazine show

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and i started reading this article and

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we're going almost 200 women dead

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in juarez which is right across the

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how come i haven't heard about this and

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i said well if this were happening in

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canada

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we'd hear about it we it it would be in

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the headlines

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and for heaven's sakes here in this

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country every time a woman disappears or

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a person or baby or a child whoever

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you get an amber alert on your phone or

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you hear about it

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and too many women were disappearing and

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more phone calls i made

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the more i said this this is just being

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on i cannot conceive that this is

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happening

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just the cross i mean you could walk

287
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across the bridge in el paso and get to

288
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wars

289
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it's not like you're talking about

290
00:09:37,509 --> 00:09:35,360
somewhere in a foreign country that's

291
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you know miles and miles away from us no

292
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you could walk to juarez

293
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um and that's how it all started and

294
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when i got there and i started to see

295
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what was happening

296
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and what surprised me jim is that many

297
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of these women who first disappeared

298
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when their families would go and report

299
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them to the authorities

300
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what they would get from authorities was

301
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well i bet you she's out with a

302
00:10:00,389 --> 00:09:58,880
boyfriend no my daughter doesn't have a

303
00:10:01,910 --> 00:10:00,399
boyfriend well how do you know that

304
00:10:04,069 --> 00:10:01,920
i know my daughter she doesn't have a

305
00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:04,079
boyfriend and she would come straight

306
00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:05,279
from school or stay

307
00:10:09,030 --> 00:10:07,360
straight from work home some things

308
00:10:10,550 --> 00:10:09,040
amiss something's wrong

309
00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:10,560
and remember they didn't have cell

310
00:10:14,630 --> 00:10:12,240
phones to be able to

311
00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:14,640
to call that was not these were poor

312
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people okay

313
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uh and then the next question that

314
00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:20,240
authorities would pose

315
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well what was she wearing was she

316
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wearing a mini skirt

317
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how is she dressed was she dressed

318
00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:28,079
provocatively what has that got to do

319
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with it

320
00:10:34,550 --> 00:10:32,079
my daughter was wearing

321
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jeans she was wearing a white top you

322
00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:36,160
know and even if they were had a mini

323
00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:38,160
skirt on what difference does that make

324
00:10:41,430 --> 00:10:39,920
and this all falls under the equation of

325
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machismo while she was looking for

326
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trouble

327
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and they'd say no you know what she'll

328
00:10:48,470 --> 00:10:46,640
show up why don't you wait a few days

329
00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:48,480
and then come back but i'm sure she'll

330
00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:50,320
show up

331
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poor they had nothing where else are

332
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they gonna go they went to the

333
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authorities

334
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and their daughters would not show up

335
00:11:02,389 --> 00:10:59,839
and if they were lucky the bodies were

336
00:11:05,910 --> 00:11:02,399
found later on and at the beginning

337
00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:05,920
um people thought it was a serial killer

338
00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:08,880
because there was a certain i would say

339
00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:10,160
there was a certain

340
00:11:14,310 --> 00:11:12,079
woman or young lady that they were

341
00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:14,320
looking for she was petite

342
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she was slender brown hair almond-shaped

343
00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:21,360
eyes so everyone in water said oh my god

344
00:11:24,949 --> 00:11:23,279
there's a serial killer loose

345
00:11:26,790 --> 00:11:24,959
and also when they started to find some

346
00:11:29,350 --> 00:11:26,800
of these bodies the way

347
00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:29,360
that the body had been left the way that

348
00:11:32,710 --> 00:11:30,240
the clothes

349
00:11:33,829 --> 00:11:32,720
were folded next to the body there was

350
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pattern

351
00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:35,600
but then all of a sudden there were

352
00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:37,440
copycats

353
00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:40,560
they started the police officers shared

354
00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:42,000
with the media you know we think it's a

355
00:11:45,509 --> 00:11:43,839
serial killer because they're leaving

356
00:11:46,630 --> 00:11:45,519
things in this fashion in this fashion

357
00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:46,640
in this fashion

358
00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:49,120
that was out there so all of a sudden

359
00:11:54,829 --> 00:11:50,880
there was a change

360
00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:54,839
so the question is is the serial killer

361
00:12:00,470 --> 00:11:56,000
changing

362
00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:00,480
his modus operandi or other copycats

363
00:12:03,829 --> 00:12:03,040
i seem to think they were copycats

364
00:12:08,629 --> 00:12:03,839
because

365
00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:08,639
women are we talking about here girls

366
00:12:12,310 --> 00:12:10,480
slash women well when i started to

367
00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:12,320
research it it was a little under 200 by

368
00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:13,920
the time the book was published it was

369
00:12:19,509 --> 00:12:17,040
about 450. that we know of that we know

370
00:12:22,629 --> 00:12:19,519
of and that's just in juarez and again

371
00:12:26,629 --> 00:12:22,639
over what time period that was

372
00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:26,639
uh about 10 years over 10 years

373
00:12:29,990 --> 00:12:28,720
and i'm sure the numbers were much more

374
00:12:33,269 --> 00:12:30,000
elevated

375
00:12:35,829 --> 00:12:33,279
um and we never really knew about it

376
00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:35,839
in fact these murders were not

377
00:12:41,670 --> 00:12:39,600
classified as femicides until 2015

378
00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:41,680
so sometimes they were classified oh it

379
00:12:46,389 --> 00:12:43,120
was incest or

380
00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:46,399
it was domestic violence um

381
00:12:50,069 --> 00:12:48,720
and yes there there were cases of incest

382
00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:50,079
of domestic violence

383
00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:52,000
but there are many other cases that will

384
00:12:55,269 --> 00:12:53,279
never even

385
00:12:58,470 --> 00:12:55,279
what we really will never know you know

386
00:13:01,910 --> 00:12:58,480
the the answer i have my

387
00:13:03,670 --> 00:13:01,920
um i guess i would say that they

388
00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:03,680
you know after everything i did all the

389
00:13:06,949 --> 00:13:05,120
investigations and all the people i

390
00:13:08,069 --> 00:13:06,959
talked to in the ineptitude and the

391
00:13:11,430 --> 00:13:08,079
stories that

392
00:13:14,710 --> 00:13:11,440
that i heard the authorities tell me um

393
00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:14,720
i have a uh my own idea of what may have

394
00:13:18,470 --> 00:13:15,680
happened

395
00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:18,480
and although right now that is not

396
00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:19,519
happening in mars

397
00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:22,240
be it the pressure from the press be it

398
00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:23,120
the fact that

399
00:13:27,269 --> 00:13:25,200
other cartels have come in and now

400
00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:27,279
cartels were fighting over their own

401
00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:29,519
territory and over power

402
00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:34,560
um also i think that the metoo movement

403
00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:37,920
recently has sparked or has given women

404
00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:40,639
a little more strength in numbers and

405
00:13:43,509 --> 00:13:42,720
they feel that they can unite and go out

406
00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:43,519
there and demand

407
00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:46,000
justice although if you look at amnesty

408
00:13:49,990 --> 00:13:48,000
international the reports were said will

409
00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:50,000
say that violence against women not only

410
00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:51,680
in mexico but in many latin american

411
00:13:55,189 --> 00:13:53,519
countries are at an all-time high

412
00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:55,199
especially when these women go out there

413
00:14:00,069 --> 00:13:58,240
and denounce you know gender violence

414
00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:00,079
just i'm talking to you this month this

415
00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:02,720
is march march is women's history month

416
00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:06,560
march 8th was women's international day

417
00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:08,560
that was the day that many women in many

418
00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:09,920
countries were marching

419
00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:12,560
to demand justice for these women right

420
00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:14,399
in mexico city what happened the new

421
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:16,000
president who said oh i believe in

422
00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:17,519
women's rights i will stand for their

423
00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:18,480
rights

424
00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:20,720
he put up barriers around the palace and

425
00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:22,560
around some memorials

426
00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:25,440
before the march some of the marches got

427
00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:26,720
very violent

428
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:29,440
and in the end you know women were

429
00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:30,079
arrested

430
00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:32,639
they were beaten but in the end they did

431
00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:34,560
put up in front of that palace in front

432
00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:35,440
of that barrier

433
00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:38,720
the names of so many women that they

434
00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:39,600
feel

435
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:41,839
have not received justice so i think

436
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:43,600
women are actually getting

437
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,720
a little they're a little braver

438
00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:48,480
because they feel that there is some

439
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:50,560
strength in numbers but again history

440
00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:52,000
repeats itself and

441
00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:54,079
what bothers me and i was looking back

442
00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:57,199
at as i said this book

443
00:15:03,509 --> 00:15:00,320
that was actually published in 2007 when

444
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:03,519
i interviewed uh these families

445
00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:06,959
uh in 2006 2005 and even before that

446
00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:09,199
i remember the sister of one of the

447
00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:10,720
girls who was slain

448
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:13,120
told me and she had become very vocal

449
00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:14,959
and she was organizing women's groups

450
00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:16,880
and she said that is i fear for my life

451
00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:18,560
because i don't know if the next step i

452
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:19,920
take outside my home

453
00:15:25,829 --> 00:15:24,000
will be my last that was 14 years ago

454
00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:25,839
and this is the same sentiment that

455
00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:27,279
exists today

456
00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:29,519
in mexico and many other latin american

457
00:15:32,949 --> 00:15:30,320
countries

458
00:15:34,949 --> 00:15:32,959
women are scared women don't trust the

459
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:34,959
authorities women don't know who to

460
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:35,600
trust

461
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:37,519
and although the although these leaders

462
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,720
say we're with you

463
00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:40,560
we're going to support you we're going

464
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:42,320
to condone the violence

465
00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:45,040
it's not happening it's not happening so

466
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,160
it's very sad

467
00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:48,720
that although as i said these murders

468
00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:50,000
might have stopped

469
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,399
but the violence against women has not

470
00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:56,800
and that to me was eye-opening when you

471
00:16:02,629 --> 00:15:58,399
know i i was in mexico

472
00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:02,639
two years ago during a woman's march and

473
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:05,040
i i said i can't believe i'm witnessing

474
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:05,680
this

475
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:08,160
i can't believe when i wrote the book a

476
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,600
lot of people were shocked because

477
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:11,120
they'd never heard about these murders

478
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,040
well why didn't they hear about them

479
00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:14,880
again i say if it was in canada this

480
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:16,160
were happening in canada

481
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,600
it would have been all over the news

482
00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:19,440
here but it was mexico

483
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,240
number one the victims are poor nobody

484
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:24,000
cares

485
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:28,000
they know these perpetrators know

486
00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:29,440
that these families do not have the

487
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,199
money to come in and hire

488
00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:33,360
an attorney who's going to fight to find

489
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:35,040
out what really happened

490
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:37,440
crimes of opportunity they're walking

491
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,800
late at night they're by themselves

492
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,720
the majority of these young girls they

493
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:44,880
trusted they they came from

494
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:47,199
a normal family somebody comes upside

495
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:49,519
let me give you a ride

496
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:51,680
okay that was the last time they saw

497
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:54,079
them or hey let me get you let me i'll

498
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:55,600
get hey you like that i like you like

499
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:56,880
those shoes i'm gonna buy you those

500
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:58,079
shoes no no no i can't

501
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,160
accept a gift they start to befriend

502
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,240
them they buy them a pair of shoes next

503
00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:03,839
thing you know they don't see them ever

504
00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:04,880
again

505
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:06,640
there's a lot here there's a lot here

506
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,000
and i think that

507
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:11,199
the combination of factors um

508
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:13,360
i interviewed some people who are no

509
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:15,439
longer with us

510
00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,839
one of them was an egyptian chemist who

511
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:19,600
worked at one of these companies

512
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,480
and um he was arrested he did have a

513
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,000
criminal record here in

514
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:26,400
in the states specifically in florida

515
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:27,439
abusing women

516
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:30,000
and some other charges but he always

517
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:31,760
said to me i did not kill

518
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:33,679
any of these women he says but i'm the

519
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,600
perfect scapegoat

520
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:37,840
i work at a factory i know the hours

521
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:40,160
these women come and go

522
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:42,559
uh yep when i drink i can get a little

523
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,600
violent

524
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:46,000
but i have never killed a woman well he

525
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:47,120
was arrested

526
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,720
he was charged with the murder first it

527
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,640
started they accused him of half a dozen

528
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:52,240
or a dozen murders then it came down to

529
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:53,919
one

530
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:56,320
and again the evidence just didn't stack

531
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:57,360
up

532
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:00,960
but he was sentenced and he never made

533
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:03,440
it out he told me

534
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:06,559
i know at least part of who's

535
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:07,360
responsible

536
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:10,720
murders

537
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:12,799
but i'm afraid i may not live to talk

538
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:13,760
about it and i

539
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:16,080
and i said tell me and he said all i can

540
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:17,120
tell you

541
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:20,240
is that one of them is a police officer

542
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:24,160
and he's short and he has he shows up at

543
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,840
all these crime scenes

544
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,600
and that's why these women are all of

545
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,760
short stature and petite you know

546
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:32,080
that's the woman he likes the other two

547
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:34,880
are very powerful men

548
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,240
i believe they're into the cartels

549
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:40,640
and there may be other people who are

550
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,080
also very powerful

551
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:43,760
who may be working at some of these

552
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,200
factories

553
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:47,600
who may be leading a double life here in

554
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:48,960
mexico

555
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,480
it says remember these women are

556
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,640
disposable you use them

557
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,320
and then you get rid of them and you

558
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,559
leave them in the desert

559
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:58,640
and i'll never forget that and you know

560
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:59,760
what he died

561
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:02,320
he died uh while under custody at a

562
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:04,000
hospital in a state hospital they said

563
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:06,960
it was cirrhosis of the liver

564
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,360
and hepatitis c we don't know

565
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,919
do you believe him that he was not

566
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:16,000
involved in any of the killings

567
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,840
i i do think he um we obviously know he

568
00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:21,360
had a violent record when it came to

569
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,840
women especially in the states in

570
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:24,400
florida but

571
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,480
they tried to associate him to a gang

572
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:30,640
the rebels they called him some of which

573
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,320
are still doing time

574
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:35,280
and supposedly from inside the jail he

575
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,240
was paying them to go out and kill women

576
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,400
interestingly enough he was in jail he

577
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:42,240
said how can i possibly be paying these

578
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:43,520
people i don't even know who these

579
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:44,320
rebels are

580
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,600
and the crimes continued they then they

581
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:50,160
rounded up all these guys all these gang

582
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:50,880
members

583
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,160
interviewed as well actually in jail and

584
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,080
he said i was tortured

585
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:59,120
into signing something that said

586
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,880
confessing basically that i was doing

587
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,559
this i've never done

588
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,720
i don't know these women i've done other

589
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:06,000
things but not these women are not

590
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:07,360
responsible for the murders of these

591
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:08,080
women

592
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:09,360
but although all these people were

593
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,320
behind bars the crimes continued

594
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:14,320
does that make sense the crimes

595
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,440
continued

596
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,360
so i don't know that shadi sharif he was

597
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:18,720
not a saint

598
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:21,840
but i don't really think he murdered

599
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,400
these women and the one person who he

600
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:25,919
was accused of murdering

601
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,120
the evidence never really coincided but

602
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,120
he was sent to jail and then there was

603
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:32,720
an attorney i interviewed who was

604
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,600
defending

605
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,840
oh let me back it up a little bit

606
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,360
because some of these companies were

607
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,280
coming under fire for not protecting

608
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,840
these women who were working there

609
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:44,000
they decided that they were going to

610
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,039
hire

611
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,159
uh bus drivers and

612
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:50,720
these services right shuttle services

613
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,840
bus services

614
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,200
so that when these women left the

615
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,720
factory they could at least be

616
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,640
transported downtown

617
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,640
where they could in turn transfer onto

618
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,159
another bus that would take them as

619
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:02,640
close as possible to these shanty towns

620
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:05,760
problem is they didn't do their homework

621
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,039
so um some of these services shuttle

622
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,960
services were private the majority were

623
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,480
all private

624
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,400
and they didn't do the background checks

625
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,400
on who these people were

626
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,720
driving these buses so there was another

627
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,559
set of accusations against two bus

628
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:22,000
drivers

629
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:25,120
when they found eight more bodies

630
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,159
that were buried in a cotton field

631
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,480
that was in town this was no longer in

632
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,919
the outskirts

633
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,919
these were in town and they were

634
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,080
directly across

635
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,600
from the association of maquiladoras

636
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,840
which is the assembly plants the uh the

637
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,640
base office

638
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:45,120
that represents i always looked at it

639
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,840
said

640
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:48,400
this comes across as a message because

641
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:49,440
now

642
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,480
the murderers were getting bolder the

643
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,679
bodies were being dumped

644
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:56,080
not out there they were being dumped in

645
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,520
a cotton field right in the middle of

646
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,400
the city

647
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,960
across the highway from the association

648
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:01,840
that represents

649
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:04,799
all of these assembly plants that we

650
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,520
know of

651
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,520
eight bodies were found we don't know if

652
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:09,440
there were more there but these two bus

653
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,880
drivers were picked up and said

654
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:13,039
you killed these two women these women

655
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:14,320
these eight women and they said

656
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:18,320
we didn't kill anyone um

657
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:21,440
they went before the press and they said

658
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,480
again that they were tortured

659
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,840
into signing confessions um

660
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,559
they they showed some of their bruising

661
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,080
i interviewed the wife of one of them

662
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,360
and she said i don't know when my

663
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,280
husband would have been able to

664
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,440
kill much less you know molest or kill

665
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,200
because i worked on them on the route

666
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,760
six days a week we rested sunday but i

667
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,600
worked with him six days a week he was

668
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,520
always with me

669
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,000
these are just scapegoats because the

670
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,760
violence continues

671
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,080
and the police need to say we got the

672
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,760
killers we got the killers

673
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,000
but the violence continued and it was

674
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,159
when they arrested those two bus drivers

675
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,880
and they had alibis that all of a sudden

676
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:01,679
the victims

677
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:05,280
families started to also question

678
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,039
do they really have the killers or not

679
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,679
that that that one of these bus drivers

680
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,840
actually died in jail

681
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,760
he was taken to have some kind of an

682
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:17,919
emergency medical procedure that his

683
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:20,799
wife said she never even knew about

684
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,840
and he died and she said

685
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,760
if it was an emergency i mean why didn't

686
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,159
why wasn't i told

687
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,400
the other one i believe he might have

688
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,960
gotten out because the wife was still

689
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,640
you know she had hired an attorney and

690
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:37,120
they were working on getting him out

691
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:43,029
in the middle of the day in juarez

692
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,159
prominent attorney

693
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,880
who i interviewed as well and when i

694
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,159
interviewed him

695
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,320
i said do you fear for your life because

696
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,000
we've seen too many people

697
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,039
who are raising questions about who the

698
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:57,679
real perpetrators here are and he said

699
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,279
yes i fear for my life but i studied

700
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,919
law because i believed in justice and

701
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:05,440
i'm not gonna let my guard you know i'm

702
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:06,080
not gonna

703
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:09,679
happening is not right

704
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,640
um before i finish writing the book i

705
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:14,960
was very sad to hear that

706
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:18,000
he uh it was lunchtime he was with a

707
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,400
friend

708
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:21,440
in his truck and

709
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:24,559
there was a ford truck with new mexico

710
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:25,600
license plates

711
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,640
came up next to them opened fire

712
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,720
semi-automatic weapons he was killed his

713
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,240
friend was not

714
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:34,799
when i asked the city for they have

715
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,360
cameras

716
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,679
it's an intersection well let's see the

717
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:39,279
cameras what do the cameras show you can

718
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:39,919
identify

719
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:42,559
you know it was new mexico plates i mean

720
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:42,960
oh

721
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:45,760
no that day that particular camera was

722
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,240
aimed

723
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:48,000
looking in the other direction and i

724
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:49,279
said okay how about the ones down the

725
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,400
street

726
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,960
no they weren't working oh so on that

727
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,480
day they weren't working or aimed in the

728
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,000
wrong direction

729
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,760
and this is the kind of roadblock that i

730
00:25:01,269 --> 00:25:00,799
would hit every single time i would try

731
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,279
to have

732
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,360
you know ask a follow-up question that's

733
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,039
just one example

734
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,760
what information did he have that would

735
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,799
cause someone to

736
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,799
he was fighting for he was fighting for

737
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,840
the bus ride because he said there's no

738
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:14,000
evidence

739
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,360
the wife has been with him the whole

740
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,120
time the guy has

741
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:19,679
never committed any kind of crime but

742
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,400
yet and and

743
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,919
we could see we could see the burn marks

744
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,720
um we could see the the torture so you

745
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,000
do believe that he was killed

746
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,640
because of the work that he was doing on

747
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,240
behalf of the bus driver i believe

748
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,919
and his colleague was killed months

749
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,279
before

750
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:37,840
so that tells us a similar story on a

751
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,480
similar

752
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,440
story on a case and he had gone outside

753
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:42,720
of juarez

754
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,640
um to visit someone um a client

755
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,520
and on the way back he said that

756
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:50,720
somebody started to

757
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,080
pursue him and actually he was on the

758
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,600
phone with his father

759
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,600
and he's saying somebody's following me

760
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,919
and then they started to shoot at him

761
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:02,000
and his father said oh my god son please

762
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,520
where are you where are you

763
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:05,919
they shot him and later on it was the

764
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,240
police they said that they had mistaken

765
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,600
him for drug traffickers really

766
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,600
an attorney who goes into the municipal

767
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,200
court all the time who was very well

768
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,640
known in waters all of a sudden he

769
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:17,840
mistook him

770
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,720
for a drug trafficker but he was shot

771
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,679
and he was killed

772
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,440
and that was months before which is why

773
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,960
i had asked this attorney do you fear

774
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,240
for your life

775
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,159
there was a pattern anyone who spoke up

776
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,159
anyone who was trying to defend

777
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,000
the rights of these people who were

778
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,600
being accused that many felt were

779
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,279
scapegoats

780
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,840
were either threatened had to leave the

781
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,400
city

782
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,039
or were murdered the head criminologist

783
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,720
on the case oscar mynes

784
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,590
i have to leave i know we found eight

785
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,960
bodies to cotton field

786
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,640
but that's as many as we were allowed to

787
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:55,520
look for there may be more there

788
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,640
um he fled he came to the states

789
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,760
there was a woman who was a

790
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,679
criminologist who was working and for

791
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:03,360
she was a forensic scientist she still

792
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,000
is i'm sure

793
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,080
and she was she would written recreate

794
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,840
from the skulls and the bones and

795
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,080
whatever was found in the desert

796
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,279
a face and then that would be published

797
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
in the local paper and she would

798
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,120
and they would say do you know this girl

799
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,360
and that's how fun some families

800
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,120
came forward and said that looks like my

801
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,039
daughter and i remember

802
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,919
she also left she also left because she

803
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,480
was saying

804
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,159
this doesn't add up i mean you're doing

805
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:31,679
this you're doing so

806
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:34,960
you have and you had a revolving door

807
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,720
of district attorneys who were fired

808
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,240
because they were so incompetent i

809
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,480
remember being doing an interview and my

810
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,080
producer all of a sudden my producer

811
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,360
came up to me and said

812
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,440
they found the body right in the middle

813
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,559
of the city

814
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:51,200
and i said you know what i said you go

815
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,559
over there with one of the cameras i'll

816
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,919
stay here with the other cameraman and

817
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,360
do this interview

818
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,440
she got there and i was just finishing

819
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,720
up and she called me she goes you're not

820
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,240
going to believe this it turns out it

821
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,480
was a domestic dispute

822
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,320
but the way they're walking all over the

823
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,080
crime scene

824
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,960
they're just destroying evidence and i

825
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,840
put it up i

826
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:12,000
i i did include that video in one of my

827
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,039
stories

828
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,480
so for and this was a new um

829
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,159
this was a new investigator who had just

830
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,679
come in under the district attorney's

831
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:21,039
office and she was telling me it was a

832
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,520
woman

833
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,200
i'm going to change things i'm going to

834
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,360
be so much better we're going to protect

835
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,799
the crime scene we're going to do that

836
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,760
we're going to do this

837
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,520
and i came into her office and i said

838
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,960
let's just look at this little video

839
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,480
is this how you protect the crime scene

840
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:34,240
you walk all over it

841
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,440
because that's not how we do it in the

842
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:37,760
states but maybe i'm missing something

843
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:40,960
she couldn't answer she was fired

844
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,840
so i i lost track of how many people i

845
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:44,960
interviewed in power

846
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,159
who either were fired uh

847
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,320
those who were questioning what was

848
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,679
really going on and who the real

849
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,799
perpetrators were

850
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,720
who were murdered the others who had to

851
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,840
leave mexico

852
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,600
and the other ones whose families were

853
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,600
threatened and they took these threats

854
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,360
very seriously

855
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,799
and as a matter of fact i haven't gone

856
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:05,120
back in years because of threats

857
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,559
so the way you're describing things i

858
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,320
mean it seems to me

859
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,399
that it all points to the cartels being

860
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,440
involved

861
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,279
you know i think it's a combination of

862
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,760
at the time i think it was a combination

863
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,760
of corruption i think it was a

864
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:19,600
combination of some very powerful and

865
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,159
wealthy

866
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:23,360
people um who might have led a double

867
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:24,640
life

868
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,159
who enjoyed having sex with these women

869
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,080
and then had enough money to say let's

870
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:31,840
dispose of them

871
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:35,039
and who had the complicity of the of the

872
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:36,480
authorities

873
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,000
um and it could

874
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,679
some of them the last time they were

875
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,679
seen i know one in particular she was

876
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:45,760
seen at a party

877
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:49,440
for uh one of the political um

878
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:55,830
that it was a very exclusive party she

879
00:30:03,110 --> 00:29:59,039
was seen at that party

880
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:03,120
politicians drug cartels

881
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,279
police officers businessmen

882
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,200
i think it had to do with a little bit

883
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:10,960
of each

884
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,080
um there

885
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,720
there were very powerful forces at work

886
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,600
here

887
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,440
enough so that they could do what they

888
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,120
had to do and these women were brutally

889
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,799
murdered i mean brutally murdered you're

890
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:24,799
talking about not just rape

891
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:28,320
but they they were

892
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:32,799
beaten they would have one nipple

893
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,320
pretty much just bitten off

894
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,760
they were strangled some of them with

895
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:40,159
their own shoelaces

896
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,760
and i remember one of the forensics

897
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,000
experts telling me that some of the

898
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,840
victims still had sand

899
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,159
underneath their nails which meant that

900
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,520
when they were left

901
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,159
to die they were struggling they were

902
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,679
struggling to get up

903
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:58,799
because the sand was so deeply embedded

904
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,720
underneath their nails um

905
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,799
it was very hard for me you know it was

906
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:06,480
10 years and i became

907
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,760
so immersed in this whole story a story

908
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,200
that just wouldn't go away

909
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,760
it wouldn't go away and i have

910
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:15,039
colleagues who were

911
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,159
in radio who were in virus who basically

912
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,640
had to leave because once they started

913
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,919
to question

914
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:24,159
what was really going on they received

915
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,200
threats

916
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:26,640
and they said not only will you be

917
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,760
killed we're going to get to you and

918
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:28,559
they knew

919
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:29,600
we're going to get your sister we're

920
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:30,480
going to get your mother we're going to

921
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:31,919
get your wife we're going to kidnap your

922
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,480
kids

923
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:35,519
too much information and they left

924
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,440
they had to leave so i i took this all

925
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,039
very seriously

926
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:43,519
did the murders come to an end at some

927
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,240
point

928
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,840
they did come to an end um they did come

929
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,640
to an end

930
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,120
i will say this the book was never

931
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,679
published in mexico

932
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,399
that says a lot to me so let's just talk

933
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:57,360
about that real quick it wasn't

934
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,159
published

935
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,320
you you tried to publish it there oh

936
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,919
yeah because it was published in both

937
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:03,919
languages in spanish and in english

938
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,799
however it was never published in mexico

939
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,840
in spanish

940
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,440
interesting right you would think mexico

941
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:10,960
would want to have a book about

942
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,480
something that's happening in juarez

943
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,240
about the murders of these women

944
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,399
innocent women and and young kids

945
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:21,039
young young girls nope never published

946
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,399
so that to me

947
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,919
when the publish said guess what they're

948
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,519
not interested in in

949
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,799
carrying the book there i said huh maybe

950
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:30,559
i shouldn't be surprised but it says a

951
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,960
lot

952
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,480
when they're not interested so that

953
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,000
means i mean today's world people get

954
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:36,159
things on amazon so

955
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,440
when you say it wasn't published in

956
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,960
mexico you're saying what does that

957
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,159
really mean

958
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,240
they can buy the book to be distributed

959
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,679
in mexico

960
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,120
so if you're in a bookstore you're not

961
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:47,279
going to see it not in mexico no

962
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,880
obviously now it's different no we have

963
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:50,159
the internet we can get anything on

964
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,039
amazon

965
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,240
but at the time that did not exist so

966
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,919
if the book wasn't coming which is why i

967
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,679
made it a point not only that i wanted

968
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,600
to personally hand over these books to

969
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,880
these families

970
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,159
because let me tell you something jim

971
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:04,080
i'm a mom right so

972
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,360
uh you you see these women and

973
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,440
you would go to their homes and they

974
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,200
would have that little room in the back

975
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:12,880
with the teddy bear

976
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,240
and uh a prom picture or her quinceanera

977
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,720
picture when she turned 15

978
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,039
and i would say oh i still see you have

979
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,519
her room intact

980
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:26,159
and i remember them saying yeah in case

981
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:27,120
she comes back

982
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,720
just like she left it

983
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:35,519
and that was like a dagger for me

984
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,559
because

985
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,799
i guess as a parent you don't want to

986
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:40,720
accept what could be

987
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,760
the brutal truth after a number of years

988
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,519
you obviously try you know you say well

989
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:47,200
i guess she's not coming back or if they

990
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,159
found remain

991
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:50,399
what what is the delta between how many

992
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,909
how many were missing is what we know

993
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,760
those that were reported how many were

994
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,039
found is what we know

995
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,840
of what the government reported so i

996
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,760
guess we'll never really know

997
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,760
the real truth because it's all coming

998
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,600
from government sources

999
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:10,320
i will say this that there were plenty

1000
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:10,800
of

1001
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:16,639
this started there wasn't even

1002
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:20,480
a shelter for battered women in juarez

1003
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,919
ester chavez who i also had it was an

1004
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,359
honor i mean to just get to know this

1005
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,359
woman she has since passed

1006
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,679
but she opened the first shelter casa

1007
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,359
amiga

1008
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,119
and she said teresa was we were

1009
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,200
overwhelmed with women coming in

1010
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,359
with their children and then she became

1011
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,960
an advocate

1012
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:41,200
for these women and this woman was about

1013
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,159
maybe five

1014
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,359
one or something petite but she was

1015
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,599
a lion out there i mean she would go and

1016
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,520
talk to these people and say you're an

1017
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,560
apt you know how can you do this and

1018
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,240
you know and if these people are the

1019
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,240
ones killing these women number one why

1020
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:58,079
is it taking you so long to come up with

1021
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,040
viable evidence

1022
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,359
number two why are the crimes continuing

1023
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,960
to happen i said nothing happened

1024
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:04,480
there's more at work here you just don't

1025
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,520
want to say the truth

1026
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,599
and she she said something to me i'll

1027
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,640
never forget this jim

1028
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,240
she said you know in paris it's a

1029
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:12,640
disgrace to be a woman

1030
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,640
but it is a crime to be a poor one

1031
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:18,880
because poor women don't count women are

1032
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:21,520
treated as second third fourth fifth

1033
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:24,079
class citizens in mexico as in many

1034
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,200
latin american countries

1035
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,839
but if you're poor living in juarez you

1036
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,680
just became a victim

1037
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,160
especially back in that during that time

1038
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,760
when i said there were so many forces at

1039
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,040
play you had

1040
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:37,680
you know the the factories operating 24

1041
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,320
7

1042
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,119
a city that wasn't prepared for all this

1043
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:42,960
influx

1044
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,920
and in ep police department um

1045
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,000
machistan's attitude

1046
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,599
uh and then you also had the impunity

1047
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,599
the impunity that was happening hey if

1048
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,800
you had money

1049
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:56,640
and you wanted to have sex with a girl

1050
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,920
and then he'd get rid of this girl

1051
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,560
chances are they might the authorities

1052
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:03,680
were going to look another way

1053
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,760
hey she's just another poor girl but she

1054
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,079
had a name she had a face she had a

1055
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,520
family

1056
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,440
and that was why to me not only was it

1057
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,960
important to document some of their

1058
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,800
stories in the book but to go back and

1059
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,640
personally hand these women the book

1060
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,079
especially since the book wasn't going

1061
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:22,000
to be published in mexico

1062
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,119
and say you know what at least your

1063
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,280
story is here it's here

1064
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,400
so i don't know if telling the story i

1065
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:30,160
know that there were movies that that

1066
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:31,119
also came up

1067
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,119
um bordertown was one of them with j.lo

1068
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:36,880
it didn't do that great but i know

1069
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:39,680
it this the the topic itself caught the

1070
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,000
eye

1071
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,200
of people beyond just journalists so all

1072
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:44,880
of a sudden the story

1073
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,480
was in many headlines um i also think

1074
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,000
that maybe part of the reason why the

1075
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,400
murders died down the way they were

1076
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,280
happening is that other cartels started

1077
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,040
to come into the picture so all of a

1078
00:37:03,510 --> 00:36:59,599
sudden it was more important

1079
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,520
to keep or regain your power

1080
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,400
among the cartels the feuding cartels

1081
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,640
than to

1082
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:10,079
get these women and do whatever you were

1083
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,200
going to do with them and then dispose

1084
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,240
of them that became

1085
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,000
secondary and as a matter of fact i

1086
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,560
remember one of the book signings i had

1087
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,240
i did not go to juarez number one

1088
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,320
because it was not being sold there and

1089
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,400
because i feared for my life

1090
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,160
but i stayed in el paso and had a very

1091
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,880
long line and i remember that um there

1092
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,000
was this one

1093
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,000
young man who stood out because

1094
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:31,440
everybody that was coming in with the

1095
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,160
book

1096
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,760
they knew who i was they knew what i did

1097
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,079
at univision they followed me uh they

1098
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,440
knew about my stories

1099
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,079
but this one man just he was young just

1100
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,680
didn't look like he fit in

1101
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,760
comes up to me and they all were saying

1102
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:45,440
could you sign my book and could you

1103
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,160
also sign

1104
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,880
for my my daughter and i said sure this

1105
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,960
guy just came up book in his hand never

1106
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:52,880
asked me to sign it he said

1107
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,109
you know narcotrafficantes the drug

1108
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:01,200
cartels and i looked at him and i said

1109
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,200
hmm something inside me just said

1110
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,720
let me think how i answer this and i

1111
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,640
said you know what i think drug cartels

1112
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,240
are into moving their drugs and selling

1113
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,520
their merchandise i don't think they're

1114
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,960
into killing women

1115
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,280
if maybe some women got in the way

1116
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,119
somehow or other

1117
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,680
well i guess that happens but i don't

1118
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,119
think this is their business

1119
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,800
and he looked at me goes okay thank you

1120
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:24,240
and he walked away and i said hey don't

1121
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,790
and then he turned around goes oh yeah

1122
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,960
and i go he goes let's put your name

1123
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,760
he was sent he was planted there he was

1124
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,040
planted just to see

1125
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:37,359
what i was going to say and i will and

1126
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,480
the reason

1127
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,160
i thought about it and i decided to

1128
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,119
answer that way was because

1129
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,839
the last time i was in paris which was i

1130
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:47,440
visited four years over the ten

1131
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:50,800
ten years four times over ten years um

1132
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,839
we were staying at an american chain

1133
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,880
and that last day we were being followed

1134
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:59,520
we were interviewing the wife of one of

1135
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,000
those

1136
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,040
accused bus drivers

1137
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,440
and i i said to my crew i said there are

1138
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,280
two well-dressed men

1139
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,880
wearing suits i said these guys are

1140
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,359
following us my producer said ah you're

1141
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,000
you're making i said i'm not making up

1142
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,680
let's go and have coffee

1143
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,440
a minute downstairs you're gonna see

1144
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,280
these two guys sure enough

1145
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,280
two guys walked in sat like two tables

1146
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,040
down

1147
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,880
so i said all right when we leave we're

1148
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:26,880
gonna see if we get followed

1149
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,400
we got followed came back to the hotel

1150
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,760
and um i said listen whoever these

1151
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:35,119
people are i don't know if they were

1152
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,480
sent by the police

1153
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,960
i don't know if they're part of a cartel

1154
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,560
i don't know if they were sent by

1155
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,720
somebody wealthy just to follow us

1156
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,720
but we're being followed they knew

1157
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,160
exactly what we were doing

1158
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,880
that night at about 11 o'clock at night

1159
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,040
i got a phone call

1160
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,640
and there was heavy breathing they never

1161
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:54,160
said anything and i kept saying hello

1162
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:54,640
hello

1163
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,920
hung up two minutes later another phone

1164
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,040
call heavy breathing

1165
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,520
hello hello nothing i called my

1166
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,960
cameraman i said are you up he goes yeah

1167
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:04,160
i said i need you to come to my room

1168
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,280
right away

1169
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,119
called my producer are you okay let's

1170
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,800
all meet in my room

1171
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,480
told them what happened they were all

1172
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,000
scared as was i

1173
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,240
went downstairs so i need to speak to

1174
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:15,760
the manager

1175
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,280
wrong and i said well i had a call it's

1176
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,720
like 11 something at night

1177
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:23,119
usually you know hotels are very strict

1178
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,400
about

1179
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,640
and uh and they called then the

1180
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,480
receptionist and said no you haven't had

1181
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,079
a call from the outside

1182
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,720
i said interesting i said so the call i

1183
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,079
got originated from

1184
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,800
inside the hotel they said well probably

1185
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,240
and i said but aren't you not supposed

1186
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,440
to transfer calls after a certain time

1187
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,280
and the manager said well maybe they

1188
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:45,119
knew your room number

1189
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,400
i said how would they know my room

1190
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,240
number in the states you don't give your

1191
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,319
room number out

1192
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:52,000
unless you know it you know you happen

1193
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,119
to be traveling with someone you know

1194
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,800
what room they're in

1195
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,480
he said well miss rodriguez you know

1196
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,839
that you're working on a very delicate

1197
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,720
topic

1198
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:01,200
i said i'll take your part how do you

1199
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,760
know

1200
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,480
what i'm working on i said let me tell

1201
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,000
you something we're american journalists

1202
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,040
if anything should happen to us

1203
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,520
this will not only be front page on all

1204
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,160
you know you name it the new york times

1205
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,160
you name it the washington post might

1206
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,240
this is going to be everywhere

1207
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,000
i said it would not behoove you you're

1208
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,240
working for an american chain

1209
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,720
hotel i said to have anything happen to

1210
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,119
american journalists

1211
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:29,200
it goes well no i didn't mean it that

1212
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,240
way i said no

1213
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:33,040
i said just keep that in mind obviously

1214
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,000
we didn't sleep

1215
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,800
we ended up sleeping in one of the

1216
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,640
producers rooms we did not sleep

1217
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:41,040
we barricaded that door we called

1218
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,079
everybody

1219
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:44,079
back at uh at the network to let them

1220
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,359
know what's going on

1221
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,280
and in fact there was a late no there

1222
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,119
was a my

1223
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,720
before we got to the hotel that i said

1224
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:52,160
we're definitely being followed than we

1225
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,800
were

1226
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,160
my cameraman said to me why don't we

1227
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,160
just leave tonight and i said

1228
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,839
no because we've got to cross part of

1229
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:59,599
the desert to get to the airport and i

1230
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,400
don't want us to be

1231
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,160
gunned down confused for drug

1232
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:04,240
traffickers like they did that attorney

1233
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,520
i said we're staying put at the hotel

1234
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,599
and the next morning we left very very

1235
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,960
early and i'll tell you something right

1236
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,240
now when that plane just

1237
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,640
took off it was like okay i'm not coming

1238
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,000
back to this place in a long time

1239
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,400
and i haven't since except for the time

1240
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,240
that i went to deliver the books

1241
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,119
and i did it very quietly and with

1242
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,880
someone who had worked on this project

1243
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:25,839
with me

1244
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:29,119
uh in a personal car and i stayed in el

1245
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,400
paso

1246
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,079
delivered the books came back and flew

1247
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,400
to houston

1248
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,160
so i didn't want to even sleep there so

1249
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,839
is there any question in your mind when

1250
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,560
it comes to

1251
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,560
the juarez police or all the police in

1252
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:41,680
mexico for that matter

1253
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,359
that they are under the effective

1254
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,920
100 control of the cartels i wouldn't

1255
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,960
say 100

1256
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,880
i think there are definitely you know

1257
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,200
some some good people out there

1258
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,160
i just think that um at this point in

1259
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,240
time when this book was written

1260
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,680
um everything was right for

1261
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,079
for these crimes to happen you know it

1262
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:06,319
was a combination of factors

1263
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:10,960
and to this day we know that there is

1264
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,160
a lot of complicity with some

1265
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,200
authorities some

1266
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,160
authority figures and the cartels or

1267
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:20,000
organized crime or mafia whatever you

1268
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,280
want to call it

1269
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,119
we know that crime is at an all-time

1270
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,079
high and especially against women

1271
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,880
despite the fact that women are uniting

1272
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,680
and uh

1273
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,680
and at least letting their voices be

1274
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:32,960
heard

1275
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:36,640
um but i wouldn't say there was

1276
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,680
it was all over but it was enough

1277
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:42,160
so that more than and this is what we

1278
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,520
know of

1279
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:46,160
more than 400 women were killed and

1280
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,280
those are the ones

1281
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,040
we know of because i'm sure there are

1282
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,920
many others we'll never hear about

1283
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,720
um and i'd like to think that it's

1284
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:55,359
changing

1285
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,720
but what just

1286
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:01,200
really gets to me is i remember that

1287
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,760
girl's

1288
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,599
words that day and that was 14 years ago

1289
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,960
i don't know if the last step i take

1290
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,800
outside my home will be my last one

1291
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,240
and what i see today in all the

1292
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,640
headlines with all the violence against

1293
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,839
women for speaking

1294
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,160
up that they don't know they don't trust

1295
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,680
who do we trust we can't trust the

1296
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,200
police we can't get into a police fire

1297
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:18,960
we don't know what's going to happen

1298
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,680
in cancun march 9th there was a march

1299
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,280
not only were some women beaten some of

1300
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:24,720
them were arrested and at least

1301
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:27,359
one of them says that she was molested

1302
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,390
so and the march 8th march

1303
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,240
of women that you're saying the

1304
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:38,720
president guarded the city against

1305
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:42,240
right was there what in particular were

1306
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:42,960
they

1307
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,760
women and for violence against gender

1308
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,280
related violence

1309
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,440
whether it be women's who's uh whose

1310
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,280
deaths whose assassinations have

1311
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:56,240
never been uh who've never really been

1312
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,720
solved

1313
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,160
they were asking for justice and they

1314
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,720
were also demanding more equality

1315
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:03,520
um and and unfortunately although the

1316
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,079
president

1317
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,560
has said i hear you i believe you know

1318
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:07,520
i'm gonna do this

1319
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,200
but the actions he took you know

1320
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,440
didn't really seem to support what he

1321
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,800
was saying

1322
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,280
and then he said that the violence that

1323
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,800
there was some violence and i bet you

1324
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,560
that those were what did he call him

1325
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,640
i've got the word he says they were uh

1326
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,319
there was a political group that was in

1327
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,000
there that infiltrated the women

1328
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,760
and infiltrated this and they're unhappy

1329
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,520
about what we're doing you know there's

1330
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,119
always an answer there's always gonna

1331
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,240
oh it was conservatives these were

1332
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,599
the group was infiltrated by

1333
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,280
conservatives who started the

1334
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,280
who started all the trouble there's

1335
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,040
always going to be something

1336
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,520
but unfortunately as i said we know of

1337
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,720
at least

1338
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,839
450 women who paid the price who were

1339
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,280
very young many of whom

1340
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:52,240
who didn't really they just wanted to

1341
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,680
lead a normal life some of them were

1342
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,079
barely 15 some of them were kids and the

1343
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,680
way they were murdered just brutally

1344
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,160
murdered there are crosses i mean if you

1345
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:02,000
go down to wires you will still see

1346
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,520
those crosses for the most

1347
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,200
for the most part and it's just a grim

1348
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,000
reminder of this very very bloody

1349
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:11,200
and and um and just

1350
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,839
horrible chapter in in juarez's history

1351
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,000
um and again we still don't know if any

1352
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:20,079
of those men who were arrested were

1353
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,880
guilty

1354
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,319
we still don't really know probably

1355
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,640
we'll never know and we do know that

1356
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,319
some of them took

1357
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,520
whatever they did know to the grave

1358
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,680
do you think much on a macro level as

1359
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:32,720
far as

1360
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:36,000
how to solve this long running problem

1361
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,000
of mexico of corruption poverty

1362
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,280
uh the cartels et cetera i mean

1363
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,040
what what should the us be doing or what

1364
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,280
you're mexican yeah the million dollar

1365
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:50,480
question it's just history it's just so

1366
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,040
many

1367
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,240
years you know of a machista society of

1368
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:56,480
treating women as second-class citizens

1369
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,359
of an ineptitude of police corruption

1370
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,920
of the fact that a system is overwhelmed

1371
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,480
and doesn't really know how to deal

1372
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,520
uh with all these crimes um

1373
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,920
i don't have an answer i'd like to think

1374
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,040
that by

1375
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,400
speaking up women at least are starting

1376
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,240
to get noticed and i'd like to think

1377
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:17,839
that these

1378
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:20,079
the future generations of leaders will

1379
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:21,040
be a little more

1380
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,640
you know their minds will be a little

1381
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,720
different than this antiquated machista

1382
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,680
society

1383
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,520
and they will say well wait a minute

1384
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,960
women have as

1385
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:31,440
the same rights as we do as men you know

1386
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,400
i'd like to think

1387
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,720
that there's got to be a change in how

1388
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,839
do we educate

1389
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,160
especially men in latin american

1390
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:39,920
countries

1391
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,960
so that they respect women you know at

1392
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,280
the same level

1393
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,839
and they have a regard for human life

1394
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,440
what happened in juarez there was no

1395
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,559
respect for women

1396
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:53,200
there was no respect for human life i

1397
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,640
mean can you imagine going to police

1398
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,839
station here and saying hey my

1399
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,280
daughter's missing

1400
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:59,119
and being told oh she's probably with a

1401
00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,079
boyfriend no she doesn't have a

1402
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:01,599
boyfriend oh what was she wearing mini

1403
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:02,319
skirt

1404
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,000
what no come back in a few days

1405
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,480
in a few days you could be dead and

1406
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,079
that's what continues to happen

1407
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,040
although there is now you know i believe

1408
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,760
it's 24 or 48 hours where you have to

1409
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,960
you know if you don't hear from them

1410
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:18,839
they continue that they will start that

1411
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:21,760
search but yet so much can happen

1412
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,119
during that time do you think from the

1413
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:26,559
time you wrote the book to today

1414
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:30,559
things are better or worse and juarez

1415
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,760
i think they're better in terms of

1416
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,079
the murders of women i still think it

1417
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:38,240
continues to be an extremely extremely

1418
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,040
violent

1419
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,400
city but i the the fact that all of a

1420
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,760
sudden the topic got all this

1421
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:45,680
international attention probably helped

1422
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,319
quell

1423
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,559
the number of crimes against women but

1424
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,400
unfortunately

1425
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,359
the crimes against women continue to be

1426
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,680
at an all-time high and not just in in

1427
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,079
this border town but in mexico

1428
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,599
in many latin american countries for

1429
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:02,079
that matter even in puerto rico and i

1430
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,359
know that this last year was tough

1431
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:05,040
because of the pandemic and we saw how

1432
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,079
we had many more

1433
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,839
cases of domestic violence and things

1434
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:09,760
going on but regardless

1435
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,880
pandemic in general crimes against women

1436
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,720
continue to be on the up and up

1437
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:17,040
listen we've interviewed women who are

1438
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,040
prepared who are school teachers

1439
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,640
who had to leave their country whether

1440
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,440
it be honduras whether it be guatemala

1441
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,599
nicaragua and they went to cross to try

1442
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,280
to cross the border with their kids

1443
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:30,079
because they were being assaulted by

1444
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,280
their husbands

1445
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,880
and they got to mexico they can't cross

1446
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,319
the border

1447
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:37,280
one of these women we interviewed just a

1448
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,079
year ago

1449
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,240
you know what she does at night she's a

1450
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,520
prostitute

1451
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,119
so during the day she's with her kid she

1452
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:45,760
makes sure that she's back

1453
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:49,119
at home to be able to give him breakfast

1454
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,720
and then when he goes to bed she has

1455
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,400
someone take care of she goes i hate to

1456
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,720
do this but i can't find a job

1457
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,960
so they're being denigrated to do this

1458
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,000
because she says i

1459
00:50:01,270 --> 00:50:00,319
can't find a job i can't cross the

1460
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,280
border

1461
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:04,079
and i can't go back home because my

1462
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,440
estranged husband

1463
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,040
is going to beat me or he's going to

1464
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:09,920
kill me and take my child

1465
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,040
so women continue to live this life that

1466
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:15,040
you would you would say oh my god i

1467
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:16,480
can't believe this is happening and it

1468
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,119
is happening

1469
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,680
continues to happen and as bad as things

1470
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,880
are in mexico

1471
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,880
aren't they in fact probably even worse

1472
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,480
in the central american countries

1473
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,720
absolutely absolutely especially with

1474
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:27,920
the um

1475
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,720
are are and these and it's sad to say

1476
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,400
many of them begin at a very young age

1477
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,319
they're kids

1478
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:41,440
you see gang members who have killed

1479
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:45,040
a grandmother an aunt you know that it's

1480
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:46,079
ruthless

1481
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,000
life

1482
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:52,400
so because of the gang violence you see

1483
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,520
a lot of people

1484
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:56,640
fleeing central america a lot of them

1485
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,200
are fleeing

1486
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,720
and i know that we have a border crisis

1487
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,319
going on with all these children who are

1488
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:02,319
being held in detention centers

1489
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,359
that's a whole other topic but

1490
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,119
you know many are fleeing because

1491
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,920
they're also victims of gang violence

1492
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,760
or they've had a brother or sibling i

1493
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,599
interviewed a former gang member once

1494
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,119
who said i couldn't show his face i had

1495
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,640
to distort his voice i couldn't say

1496
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,079
where i had interviewed him

1497
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:23,040
and he said my brother was killed i was

1498
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,160
next

1499
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,400
if i didn't leave i know that i was

1500
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,000
going to be killed

1501
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,319
and he was resettled with some distant

1502
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,839
relatives what happens

1503
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,119
they don't connect they don't know each

1504
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,119
other they speak another language

1505
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,440
they don't connect they miss whatever

1506
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:39,040
they had back there

1507
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,119
and so you have another set of problems

1508
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,599
that arises in this country

1509
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:46,000
um many of them turn guess what they

1510
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:47,040
turn in

1511
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,559
to gang violence because that's all they

1512
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:51,200
know so they all of a sudden they're at

1513
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,079
a school

1514
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,920
in the states where they're learning

1515
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,359
they're learning english

1516
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:57,680
but this camaraderie this other gang

1517
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,480
member

1518
00:52:01,589 --> 00:52:00,240
who's from el salvador wherever will

1519
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,599
come up say hey

1520
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,079
i speak your language i know you miss

1521
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,680
your family i'm your family

1522
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,760
come and join me and they end up joining

1523
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,119
a gang here

1524
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,280
so it's a vicious a vicious cycle that

1525
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,280
continues to repeat itself

1526
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:16,000
and and i say this please don't don't

1527
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,839
take it the wrong way

1528
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:20,000
i know that most probably i don't have

1529
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,599
the numbers i shouldn't say i know

1530
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,319
but we have to be very very very careful

1531
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:26,000
about

1532
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:29,680
qualifying everyone in these

1533
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,960
border facilities as children by

1534
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,400
themselves

1535
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,480
some of them may already have a history

1536
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,880
of gang violence

1537
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:40,319
they're fleeing because they knew they

1538
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:43,599
were next you've got to be very careful

1539
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:47,040
um you've got to be careful about other

1540
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:48,480
people entering the country

1541
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,190
and who may have ulterior reasons for

1542
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:56,960
coming in

1543
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,559
i interviewed someone years ago

1544
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,160
and i don't want to say this person's

1545
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,480
name a leader in a very

1546
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,319
a country that we are very friendly with

1547
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:07,839
who said the united states has got to

1548
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,270
because these people who are coming in

1549
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,559
and want to make an honest living

1550
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,079
they're not the enemy

1551
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,839
you got to be careful about other

1552
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,480
elements coming in

1553
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,480
yeah and i think under this new policy

1554
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,160
as long as you make the claim that

1555
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:25,839
you're seeking asylum

1556
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,240
that uh you're you're allowed in and

1557
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,079
then you're put on a waiting list for

1558
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:32,079
a trial that happens two years down the

1559
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,440
road right

1560
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,359
right and again i said we can't

1561
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:37,200
generalize it's always you can never

1562
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,160
generalize

1563
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,839
but we have to be very careful and i

1564
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,079
think what's happening there

1565
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,880
is is inhumane it's inhumane and the

1566
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:46,240
thought of how many families were

1567
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,520
separated

1568
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:50,480
um but again there's always two sides to

1569
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,040
a story

1570
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,880
so we need to be able to do our homework

1571
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,480
and just be very careful and all i can

1572
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:55,599
hope is that

1573
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,319
this topic of gender-based violence and

1574
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,079
especially against

1575
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,240
women who are now starting to speak up

1576
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:04,079
whether it be part of the metoo movement

1577
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,520
that gave them the strength to come

1578
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,680
forward whether it just be a sign of the

1579
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:08,640
times that they're

1580
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,079
fed up and they don't want to deal with

1581
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:12,720
this anymore uh they want justice

1582
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,760
um this has got to uh

1583
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,839
this this violence has got to stop and i

1584
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,359
do think that i do hope

1585
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,280
i have two sons and i've always taught

1586
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:23,359
them to respect women

1587
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:26,559
and uh i would hope that

1588
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,240
these future generations of men

1589
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,440
will grow up thinking that way too and

1590
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,040
think along the lines of the old

1591
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,160
machista's machista attitudes

1592
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:41,040
um also there's a lot of poverty and

1593
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,920
probably

1594
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,240
you know it never when you're trying to

1595
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,839
make things need and

1596
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,520
all of a sudden somebody offers you

1597
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:49,359
money and you know that's how the

1598
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:50,559
corruption starts

1599
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,720
couple just to wrap up i

1600
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,000
wouldn't mind getting your thought on a

1601
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,760
couple radical ideas that i have that

1602
00:55:03,190 --> 00:54:59,599
i've expressed on the show before

1603
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:03,200
two of them one legalizing drugs we're

1604
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,839
already

1605
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,920
seeing in america marijuana being legal

1606
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,839
and now experimenting with others and

1607
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,480
things seem to be going okay but the

1608
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,480
legalization of this trade

1609
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,760
would put the cartels out of business so

1610
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,920
that could make a significant change

1611
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:18,960
number two

1612
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,240
even more radical arguably

1613
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,799
boy it sure would be nice if somehow we

1614
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,280
could develop a relationship with mexico

1615
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:30,000
where mexico almost became or did become

1616
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,200
a territory

1617
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,920
of the us i mean the natural resources

1618
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,720
of mexico

1619
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:37,040
the potential of that country is through

1620
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,760
the roof

1621
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,040
it just needs a non-corrupt government

1622
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,839
and it needs an end to the cartels you

1623
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,160
you you get a legitimate government in

1624
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,160
there and get rid of the cartels and

1625
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,680
it's katie bar the door real estate

1626
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,640
prices are gonna

1627
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,480
double triple so i i know there's a

1628
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,359
couple radical ideas but

1629
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,960
you almost need something that radical

1630
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,200
to solve this yeah and i don't know that

1631
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:01,040
this is going to get solved anytime soon

1632
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,079
we've been through so many

1633
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,760
different leaders in mexico um

1634
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,599
i don't know that this is going to to

1635
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,440
change because you're talking about

1636
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,839
centuries old thinking

1637
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:14,160
um but about a historically corrupted

1638
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,680
government and i do think

1639
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,960
what you said you have a point there

1640
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:18,400
when you talk about if you legalize

1641
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,520
drugs the only thing

1642
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,119
right now you have so much drug

1643
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,440
production going on in mexico

1644
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,760
it's all over the place right but who's

1645
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:26,960
the biggest consumer

1646
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:30,000
we are the united states is the biggest

1647
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,040
consumer yeah

1648
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:33,920
we're just at at fault you know what if

1649
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,480
there is

1650
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,240
demand there's going to be supply it's

1651
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,920
important demand it's a basic law of

1652
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,760
economics so we also have to address the

1653
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,440
issues we have going on here

1654
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,040
right but we've learned we we've tried

1655
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,799
that and and getting people to stop

1656
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,440
taking drugs uh doesn't happen we tried

1657
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,880
prohibition to get rid of alcohol and it

1658
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,680
didn't

1659
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:52,480
work so so this new movement that you're

1660
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,520
seeing in america

1661
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,920
of going the other way on drugs with

1662
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,440
starting with marijuana

1663
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,359
could end up being the um the right

1664
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,960
solution i mean already the cartels have

1665
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,559
had to move on to different drugs

1666
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,319
because marijuana isn't where the money

1667
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,760
is necessarily anymore exactly it

1668
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,119
doesn't make the money it used to

1669
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,119
yeah so now that's caused problems with

1670
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,960
other types of drugs coming in

1671
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,559
but the drugs will continue to come in

1672
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,760
and you know what the cartels will

1673
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:15,119
always find a way to bring it in if it's

1674
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,599
not

1675
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,839
a b or c it will be d e f i mean they're

1676
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,960
always gonna find

1677
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,880
and you know what's more uh it's

1678
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,000
interesting how

1679
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:25,040
it will be in this little um

1680
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middle america neighborhood where you

1681
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,640
would never know

1682
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,200
that there's a drug connection there and

1683
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,200
they're they're smart they figure it out

1684
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:35,119
and it's it's happening it happens every

1685
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single day

1686
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,079
we had a great guest on who says the the

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largest grower of marijuana

1688
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,559
in california is the cartels

1689
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,720
they're growing in california they've

1690
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,640
gotten smart and decided

1691
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,240
why bring marijuana over the border when

1692
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,839
we can grow it right in california so

1693
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,760
they're growing right under the noses of

1694
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,280
our officials

1695
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,520
these are a lot of topics to tackle and

1696
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,000
a lot to talk about i'm sure you'll have

1697
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,760
plenty of podcasts that you'll be able

1698
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,079
to unfortunately yeah

1699
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,839
well listen i appreciate you having me

1700
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:07,359
on especially during this month which is

1701
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:08,559
so important for women

1702
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,240
and i do want to end on one thought um

1703
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,960
the um one of the activists always said

1704
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,000
to me

1705
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,799
the dead leave signs they let us know

1706
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:19,680
what's happened

1707
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:22,960
the question is is anyone listening

1708
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:26,000
so i'd like to think that more people

1709
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,640
will listen

1710
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,559
more people will speak up and hopefully

1711
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,119
someday we won't have to

1712
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,359
talk for almost an hour about violence

1713
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:35,119
against women and especially women who

1714
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,319
are trying to speak up

1715
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,760
and demand justice so thank you so much

1716
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,599
thank you again to teresa rodriguez and

1717
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:43,839
you can check out her book on amazon

1718
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,880
the daughters of juarez thank you to our

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00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,480
producer michael parker

1720
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thank you all for listening we'll be

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00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:52,319
back soon with another episode of the

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hidden truth show

1723
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,069
thank you for listening to the truth

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00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:01,839
show with jim breslow

1725
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,440
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1726
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:07,599
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1727
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1729
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